- Luseane Tupouniua
said...
Hey Chris,
Awesome work on your blog. Your points you have discussed here are also what i have to agree with on teenage crime. Agreeing with the comments before me the death penalty is too much but the NZ punishment system needs to be a little more harsh to keep these kids in line. Or we should expect the teenage violent crime stats to rise. I feel looking at teenagers these days and almost encountering a fight with a few young boys not so long ago because my friend was of European ethnicity they feel that "fighting or threatening" another person is something that is cool! Picking on the older generation is even worse! If i had it my way i'd take it back to old school where discipline NOT ABUSE was allowed! at least then they knew where they stood and didn't try and do half the things kids do now. Teenagers back in those days had their rebels but there was that line of respect Now if you beat someone because you could is something that kids go looking for just to report back to their friends which is sad and should be looked at more closely. great eye-opening topic! - Nice work! Very good blog and interesting topic. I also agree with you
that stricter punishments should be made for some of these offenders as
they clearly know and have been told that what they are doing is wrong.
If they are willing to do the crime they should face a fair punishment. I
also agree that for a teenager, experience is everything and more money
should be put into experience enriching rather than
technology.(although technology can also be a good thing)
Again, Nice work! - Thanks Ethan and Luseane. I am glad this topic didn't ruffle too many feathers mind you for people it did they probably wouldn't of commented. Either which way as I have stated a lot of people are looking to go back to the 'old school' method of punishment (discussing of course about the 'process'). I personally think that the track we are leading down will only ring larger negatives if not monitored by people looking to change the future. Hopefully some one will pick this case up. Waiting..........
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Feedback/Comments and Reply Ethan/Luseane
Feedback/Comments and Reply Akira
- Akira said............
This is very interesting topic. I agree that Juvenile Law needs to be amended. I think that liberal treatment of offenders may have nothing to do with the growth in violence, but perpetrators thus handled are surely left with a reduced awareness of the seriousness of their offenses. Also I agree that death penalty is inappropriate for teenager. To rephrase the term "death penalty", it is like carrying out another murder legally. - Thanks Akira! Very true something needs to be done about the Juvenile Law system and after reflecting on my own work I can also see that indeed there are other influences like easier access to violent material in media (e.g. internet, television), influential events and age humanity is currently experiencing, values and beliefs within certain context cultural frameworks etc. I too share the opinion that the death penalty is on the other end of the extremity we are currently in with New Zealand's current system. I feel that simply following through with aggressive and time consumed punishment that may send a clear message to youths considering to commit future crimes. Thanks heaps for the comment Akira very well noted!
Feedback/Comments and Reply Simon
- Simon Nguyen said.............
Your whole blog is truly interesting indeed, Chris. However, you seem to be confusing as of what do you want out of the posts? You said death penalty is too much but you also disagree with the current policy. If it's that easy like you said the government won't have much works to deal with. Same as you going against the current system, there are heaps of people out there which I believe they will make a world scale arguments if the government raise the penalty level. From your information and comparing to my own country, as the system is totally different but the situation is the same. Recently, there's a teen boy, killed a whole family with a knife to steal the gold shop leaving a new born boy with one of his hand cut off (yes i mean he now only have 1 hand). This crime, if it happen in New Zealand, how would you judge it? Try put a death penalty on him and people will come crawling up to you or just forget it? I agree that any penalty other than death would be unfair but well the laws can't agree with everyone. I'm happy when New Zealand still can keep the crime level that low :) - Thanks heaps for the observation Simon! A challenge :D My overall goal for the posts is simply to create awareness as well as portray that the current system (although it has it's heart in the right place) has lost it's luster for New Zealand and needs to be overhauled. I am fully aware that this problem is more than just New Zealand (an international issue) however the figures are alarming considering the population and the fact that the crimes are becoming, in reports from my examples, more aggressive. Due to cultural frameworks that have been in motion for 100's of years it would unethical for me to create a global solution for this problem (although I would be up for a challenge). The government according to what I have seen are looking for 'quick fixes' rather than looking for a permanent professional solution that promotes a 'no tolerance' policy. Because we were only allowed so many words I sadly could not fathom to develop a solid solution although as you could imagine I would have a lot to say. This subject can be touchy I agree however the bottom line is if you commit the crime you need to do the time anything less than that is avoiding the purpose of punishment. In terms of your example you provided I personally would not allow the assailant back into functional society. The problem we have Simon is because he is a youth he will be let back into society (in New Zealand system) one time or another. Someone like that made the choice to end lives so what gives them the right to have more than one opportunity to a 'normal' life. I have a lot more to digress on however without loosing the point of the response I thank you for a thought provoking statement.
Feedback/Comments and Reply Catherine
- Catherine said.........
This is a really interesting topic Chris. And a very thought provoking one. It's disgusting to know that people so young are out committing such heinous crimes, with little to no punishment. In the case(s) of repeat offenders there should definately be a higher level of punishment, since I think they will definately know what they are doing and that it is very wrong (in the case of the boy holiding the knife to the eldery's throat).
But maybe they can see that in NZ, life is only 17 years, that's not a lot. So if murder only means 17 years imprisonment, they must know that they will be able to plead ignorance in some cases, which is again, disgusting.
Really interesting topic! :) - Thanks heaps for the feedback ;3 Indeed it is a very frustrating topic sadly but I still am so passionately attached to. Like I said to Andrew I hope that we don't spend too long on coming up with a 'firm' but 'fair' punishment system for youths. Simply put should we treat them like adults? If so it's easy, simply mimic the punishment system given to the adults and treat all offenders as equals. At the end of the day that's what victims look for. Justice!
Feedback/Comments and Reply Travis
- Travis Haan said.........
I'm glad you're writing on this topic. It underscores the fact that the "justice" system in many countries is too simplistic. Someone once said,"If the only tool you have is a hammer then every problem is a nail." The issue of crimes committed by minors might not be such a quagmire if we had more tools to punish/rehabilitate criminals than just throwing them in jail. - Cheers man and an incredibly valid point in regards to the tools we need for punishment. This is where the investment in New Zealand's future needs to come into play. However as we know a lot of things are time/money consuming so we need the passion and drive of organizations on board.
Feedback/Comments and Reply Andy
- andy said...............
It is crazy that these kids are committing the crimes, and when they are that young they go to jail but not for long and end up coming out while they are still in their teens or even twenties, and what's going to stop them from committing more crimes and getting into gangs. In prison I'm sure they make connections with the other adult offenders and probably go on and do their dirty work when they are free!.
If you remember the Scottish girl who was murdered by the young kid in Taupo a few years back, my work mate knew his family and he came from a disjointed family unit, so maybe that is one of the causes. With dads beating up mums and the kids.
Its too crazy, but harsher sentences need to be employed, if you do the crime you do the time, murder should equal life in prison, why should the murderer be able to get out of prison 10 years or so down the line when the victim will never have that chance. It it ridiculous! - Indeed I am glad that somebody can see the real issue at hand here. The punishment needs thought for New Zealand. My only concern is how long is this going to take and how many more 'victims' will be created between here and then?
Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Feedback/Comments and Reply Tom
- Tom said....
Hey Chris, this is indeed a great topic to get into and one that hits pretty close to home in my family. Please do a spelling and grammar check though as resonable = reasonable and there may want to be a gap between '13' and 'years' as well as some consistency with age reporting as later you have '85yr old war veteran Eric Brady', but, that's just my pedantic mind speaking :).
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